Report on a meeting held by the CAA concerning the "Proposal to amend the Air Navigation Order 2005 for the purpose of improving the technical interoperability of all aircraft in UK airspace". By Peter Saundby, Vice President, Royal Aero Club; with advice from Tom Hardie, Peter Hearne and Ian Strachan. This meeting was held in the Civil Aviation Authority, Kingsway, London, on Tuesday 15 August 2006. It was attended by some 28 persons, all the major Associations and AOPA being represented. The arrangements for the meeting were good and the best part was the buffet lunch. Tom Hardie who is tasked with the GA Alliance response was present together with Peter Hearne and Ian Strachan representing the BGA but equally concerned with other recreational aviation interests. The meeting was chaired by Andy Knill, the CAA Manager for 'Surveillance and Spectrum Management' he has had a distinguished career in the development of secondary radar. He was supported by Andy Greenwood and Sqn Ldr Max Seaman, both of whom have professional backgrounds as fighter controllers in the RAF. The initial presentation was given by Gp Cpt Wragg RAF, but he then excused himself and left the meeting. His professional background is in air traffic control. Therefore a problem was that none of this CAA 'expert' team has had any serious flying experience and as I have written elsewhere, the sky looks different when seen from a cockpit rather than the radar room of a control centre. From the BHPA and BGA points of view, it became apparent that the CAA team knew little about soaring operations. There is a need for the CAA to accept data that will be needed for the relevant modelling that yet has to take place. An outstanding feature of the day was the repeated exposure of internal contradictions. On the CAA web site the meeting was described as "a workshop in support of the proposal to amend the ANO". It was certainly not a workshop because nothing was produced and not one of the visiting attendees ever spoke in support of the proposal. We opened with a presentation by Gp Cpt Wragg, in this he stated that this proposal was the culmination of fourteen years work, that the objective was flight safety and that the intention was to listen. It was a proposal and open to consultation. However the 'experts' had considered and rejected other options and this became only too clear later in the meeting. He also assured the meeting that there was no intention of using the information on traffic for other purposes, presumably referring to past suspicions of charges for airspace use. He was keen for responses although time will tell whether his team will actually take any notice of these. Andy Greenwood then showed some initial responses to the consultation document, there had been 850 individual responses, 28 small businesses and 1 large business. 80% supported voluntary equipage and 77% did not believe that there would be any safety benefit. Of the replies from small businesses, 75% expected losses and 25% would cease trading. His argument was that the case for universal transponders was a safety case and even implied that those who opposed were against safety! From the audience it was repeatedly put that the safety case was for electronic visibility and not mode 'S' transponders, these being merely one potential solution and also not the one being progressed by the Federal Aviation Administration in the USA. Most of the CAA presentation was in support of the concept of electronic visibility, that this would reduce the risk of collisions, facilitate traffic management, enable traffic growth and replace current obsolete systems. All this is uncontroversial and agreed by those present. However the only technical solution ordained by the CAA is the carriage of mode 'S' transponders. Therefore the real debate as to whether this is the optimum or the only technical solution never took place, indeed the Chairman ruled discussion out of order saying "that it would take three days of meetings to address this issue". It is apparent, and was even admitted by the CAA team, that ADS-B [broadcasting of position by the aircraft] will become the system for the future and therefore the CAA advocates the purchase of transponders with extended squitter. Consequently the purchase of any other transponder can only be an interim measure. There appears to be a determination by the CAA to avoid any expenditure involved in the immediate modification of infrastructure to accept ADS-B information while appearing to discount expenditure imposed upon others. In what discussion did take place, it was pointed out that TCAS suffers limitations when used for pilot controlled collision avoidance because there is no vector information and this had been the subject of a warning by Eurocontrol. A transponder needs to be illuminated by radar before responding and this may not always be the case at low level. The possibility that a very large increase in airborne mode 'S' transponders might result in spurious TCAS warnings was discounted by the CAA team. However it was pointed out that in the development of military systems it had been found unwise to rely solely on modelling and that flight test verification is essential before final decisions are taken. Discussion of international issues exposed further contradictions. It was stated that ICAO had mandated transponders although this is not true for those un-powered aircraft included in the CAA proposal. At one moment we were being told that ICAO was mandatory, the second that the CAA were encouraging the development of low output transponders that did not meet the ICAO specification. Accounts of developments in France and Germany did not match with information from elsewhere. This CAA proposal runs counter to the declared aims of the EASA Board to encourage technical innovation and the development of light aviation in Europe. A reference to UAVs was equally inconclusive. The CAA envisages widespread civil and military use and the electronic visibility of all other airspace users could enable an avoidance system. However the same arguments exist as to how that visibility could be created. An important point made was that questions power supply and weight are as equally critical for UAVs as for recreational aviation. The question of radiological protection was only raised at the end. This is related to output power, but thermal considerations alone were considered. Interference with cardiac pacemakers and non-approved aircraft electronic equipment has not been explored. Indeed a delusion exists in the CAA that with EASA airworthiness approval, all instrumentation in gliders will become certified. Much faith is being put by the CAA in the development of low powered low cost transponders, LAST and LPST. Prices were cited as low as under £1000. However these items, despite past efforts, have not yet been developed and we now have a chicken and egg situation. A representative from the company implied that they could not justify 'bringing to market' costs unless that market was assured. That leads to the position that future legislation may 'require' the fitting of equipment that does not yet exist. The Chairman ignored strong pleas from those representing organisations that no specification should be issued without consultation with those who would be compelled to use the equipment in the air. There was limited discussion on possible hybrid systems, squitter transmissions passing information on aircraft position and vector based on internal GPS navigational systems. This was rejected by the Chairman who clearly did not believe the integrity and accuracy of current commercial [off the shelf] GPS systems despite evidence being offered to the contrary. The BHPA protested that the CAA had not consulted on actual air space usage and that must be taken into account by the CAA. This case was supported by the BGA because the same point has been made at earlier GACC meetings. The CAA team agreed that they would now be prepared to examine such material. The BGA made the further point that the proposed change in the regulations would involve a prohibition on the ability of gliders to fly IMC in unregulated airspace. This change would be resisted because it had no sensible connection with transponder carriage and was entirely contrary to the concept of electronic visibility. Individual exemptions from the ANO will be permitted on various grounds, and blanket exemptions will be permitted for certain in-service military aircraft. However these exemptions must detract from the concept of universal visibility and may prove difficult for the CAA to administer. In summary this was most unsatisfactory meeting, although that was not unexpected. It is not obvious what motives are driving our CAA. The overt reasons do not appear adequate to explain what will become a major political and perhaps legal battle. Maybe the adverse financial and economic implications for general aviation are not appreciated. Certainly the meeting exposed a lack of knowledge by these CAA 'experts' of how recreational aviation operates and this ignorance cannot be dispelled by a few visits to Clubs, but needs honest and open cooperation between the CAA and the relevant associations. They must understand our operations and we need to know the pressures driving their policies. The major reason cited was flight safety and the collision risk, yet few fatalities arise from this cause and the same expenditure on other measures would save far more lives. Even the majority of respondents have not accepted this particular flight safety case. Is our CAA concerned that that their responsibility for airspace management entails legal liabilities? It was stated that the increase of controlled air traffic drove their proposal, but this increase is in controlled air space while the proposal relates to unregulated airspace. Another reason given was that the CAA has already spent fourteen years and it was time to move on, but the logic of this is not obvious. International considerations were treated selectively and only those that supported the CAA case were cited. Despite statements to the contrary, the decision to amend ANO has apparently been made and will be driven through. Actions speak louder than words. While all agree that electronic visibility is desirable, there are obvious alternative and much better technical solutions to those advocated by the CAA. The FAA is leading with ADS-B and in aviation the Americans force the pace. At best the CAA proposals can only be an expensive interim solution. Adoption of ADS-B could solve the CAA problems of costs, radio spectrum congestion and windmills. The statement by the Chairman that there would always be civil radar for air traffic control was without supporting evidence. As was demonstrated at the meeting, ADS-B can be small light and low powered. A complete navigational pack for para-gliders weighing only 180 gms was exhibited and this could feed a low power transmitter. The reason for this impasse between general aviation and the CAA is difficult to discern. Their attachment to obsolescent systems is inexplicable because the CAA employs well qualified individuals who must be aware of modern developments. However a point not addressed at this meeting is that there are pressures on the CAA for the use of small regional airfields by commercial air traffic. As reported by GASCO, the Guild of Air Traffic Control Officers recently expressed their concern that the expansion of traffic has outstripped the capability of the Air Traffic Services. They have proposed a change from the VFR 'see and avoid' to a 'sense and avoid' based on TCAS. Can this be a clue to a covert reason for the present activity by the CAA? 18 August 2006